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Vye Brante
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Just Gotta Tournament |
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I didn't know where to put this thread. Some of you might see this before the page on the site goes up. The rest will be lead here by it.
I'm just going to clarify a few things. Firstly about the legendary Pokemon. Here's what is considered a legendary for this tournament.
Legendary Pokemon:
Arceus
Mewtwo
Lugia
Ho-oh
Rayquaza
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Kyogre
Groudon
Regigigas
Mew
Celebi
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys (Any form, obviously)
Heatran
Cressilia
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
So there you go. Only one of these Pokemon can be on your team. No more. The other five members have to be regular Pokemon.
I considered adding Pokemon like Dragonite and Salamence in there. Their stats are on par with a lot of the legendaries, after all. But I guess their double weakness kinda makes them easier to deal with. If you are then wondering about Celebi's inclusion in the list, well, I dunno, just seems like there would be more teams with Ice available than Bugs. That's open to dispute I guess.
Also so you know, Wobbuffet is also allowed. I guess for whatever reason it was considered Uber and not allowed in tournaments. I don't know why. I don't think they're that hard to fight. It might just be because of the Arena Trap and if you got too Wobbuffet's against each other, it would take forever. But not a big deal in this tournament I don't think. And I think they fixed that in the game, if I'm not mistaken.
Regarding Cheated Pokemon: It depends. A Sableye/Spiritomb with Wonder Guard is NOT allowed obviously. That's just plain cheating and just isn't fair. Pokemon with altered abilities are not allowed, so if you come across something like that in the battles, let me know so I can disqualify them.
However, I will not ban Pokemon that were obtained using cheat codes but are otherwise normal. You can have an Arceus or Shaymin, for example, as long as it's your one legendary. How it's captured shouldn't matter and they are no better or worse than normal Pokemon, so they wouldn't give an unfair advantage.
Any other Pokemon you think should not be allowed or one that should be? Let me know. And let me know if you have any questions.
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Georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Just Gotta Tournament |
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Wait...
| Vye Brante wrote: | | If you are then wondering about Celebi's inclusion in the list, |
Why WOULDN'T you add Celebi to the list?
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Vye Brante
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well, because Celebit is weak against Bug types. It's Grass/Psychic so Bug type moves are 4x as effective, just like Ice moves are 4x as effective against Dragonite and Salamence.
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Flame Shadow
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Are we allowed to use cheated Pokemon?
and if so, there would be a Pokemon that you'd need to ban: a Sableye with WonderGuard. I have one and use it often in the Battle Tower, but against real people, it's just not fair. |
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| Quote: | | Are we allowed to use cheated Pokemon? |
...I would hope not, I mean...there's a reason they're called CHEATED pokemon.
Anyway, Vye, are we non-participants going to be able to read details of how the final matches went down? 
I would participate, but I don't have Diamond or Pearl. Or a DS. >_> |
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kirbyboy102
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't add dragonite to the list because it isn't really legendary. If you train dratinis you can get 100 of them.
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| Kaika87 wrote: | | Quote: | | Are we allowed to use cheated Pokemon? |
...I would hope not, I mean...there's a reason they're called CHEATED pokemon. |
Well, most cheated Pokemon only have altered abilities or different moves than what they would naturally learn. |
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| Vye Brante wrote: | | Well, because Celebit is weak against Bug types. It's Grass/Psychic so Bug type moves are 4x as effective, just like Ice moves are 4x as effective against Dragonite and Salamence. |
Ooh, okay... 'Cause I thought you ment because pretty much NO one has Celebi. >_>; -Owns a legit Celebi-
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Vye Brante
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding Cheated Pokemon: It depends. A Sableye/Spiritomb with Wonder Guard is NOT allowed obviously. That's just plain cheating and just isn't fair. Pokemon with altered abilities are not allowed, so if you come across something like that in the battles, let me know so I can disqualify them.
However, I will not ban Pokemon that were obtained using cheat codes but are otherwise normal. You can have an Arceus or Shaymin, for example, as long as it's your one legendary. How it's captured shouldn't matter and they are no better or worse than normal Pokemon, so they wouldn't give an unfair advantage.
I will add this to my first post as well for those that don't read the whole thread.
. . . I think I missed another question. But can't find it now. Was there something I missed?
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Vye Brante
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Oh! I remember now! Whether or not you'll get a rundown of the matches.
That would be fun, huh? Maybe we could start up a thread during the tournament so participants can let everyone know how their matches went. I don't know how much detail I'll be able to get, but I'll try so I can let you guys know what all happened. I'll keep as many notes as I can.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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I have a legit Celebi too! *high fives*
I think having a board open would be a lot of fun, we can chat it up when it's not our match time and let people know how it went.
Just a question about cheated pokemon - When you say "otherwise normal", You also mean they can't have cheated stats, right? I can see getting it and maybe making its moveset with cheats but not more than that...
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Vye Brante
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Yeah, no altered stats. I don't mind if cheat codes were used to catch it, and I don't mind if the moveset was cheated a bit too. (I mean, really, it won't help THAT much, I don't think.) But other than that, it wouldn't be allowed.
It could be hard to tell though, unless the person like REALLY messed with the stats. So this would just go back to everyone being honest. I hope they all would be. I don't see why they wouldn't either. Just hope my trust isn't misplaced.
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How do you even make cheated pokemon, anyhow?
I don't have ANY legendaries. I'll prolly have a kyogre if I stop playing animal crossing wild world.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Just Gotta Tournament |
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| Vye Brante wrote: | | However, I will not ban Pokemon that were obtained using cheat codes but are otherwise normal. You can have an Arceus or Shaymin, for example, as long as it's your one legendary. How it's captured shouldn't matter and they are no better or worse than normal Pokemon, so they wouldn't give an unfair advantage. |
Hai thar, NeoJames here, remember me?
Ne'ways, I disagree completely with the quote, hacked Pokemon are unfair compared to legit ones, for many reasons...
First of all: the fact of just getting the Pokemon, I myself have worked to get a legit Celebii, Mew, Darkai, and soon I'll get a legit Deoxys. It pisses me (And many others) to think that people can/are just typing in codes to get the same effect as legit Pokemon, a very hard to get Pokemon I might add.
Second of all: the training. EV training is hard work, hear me? Hard enough getting the best natures, IV's, egg moves, the works... so to think that you'll allow someone to just hack to get the same effect as many peoples hard work, it's just...not right.
It's taken me years to get my team to where it is now, and your just going to let people take a minute or two to hack and use these hacked Pokemon in your tournament?
I was going to join your tournament...but... |
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Vye Brante
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Just Gotta Tournament |
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I'm going to use some guotes for once! Woo!
| kirbyboy102 wrote: | | How do you even make cheated pokemon, anyhow? |
The main way is to use an Action Replay and program in a code that makes any Pokemon you want appear. You are then free to catch it.
| NeoJames wrote: | | Hai thar, NeoJames here, remember me? |
Yup, I do, welcome!
| NeoJames wrote: | | First of all: the fact of just getting the Pokemon, I myself have worked to get a legit Celebii, Mew, Darkai, and soon I'll get a legit Deoxys. It pisses me (And many others) to think that people can/are just typing in codes to get the same effect as legit Pokemon, a very hard to get Pokemon I might add. |
*Enters Pro-Cheat Code rant mode*
Good for you. However, some people, like me, were never given an oppurtunity to get any legit Pokemon. The events were held hundreds of miles away where I just couldn't go. It was only recently that a Toys 'R Us, still like 40 miles away, started doing them, and I only heard this through a rumor so I'm not even 100% sure they really were giving them away.
So what was I supposed to do? Not be able to experience how it is to train those ultra rare Pokemon and by doing so have a forever incomplete Pokedex because I was not physically able to go to an event aimed at just getting me to buy more stuff while I was there? HECK NO! Action Replay gave me my answer.
Yes, people abuse cheat codes. Yes, it seems unfair to those who don't use them. But I think it's wrong to just stamp cheat codes as "Wrong" and leave it at that. So, sure, you had to work hard to get those Pokemon and you can be proud of that and them. Nothing wrong with that. I still work hard at training my cheated Pokemon and I love them the exact same as the non cheated ones. Why is that wrong?
| NeoJames wrote: | | Second of all: the training. EV training is hard work, hear me? Hard enough getting the best natures, IV's, egg moves, the works... so to think that you'll allow someone to just hack to get the same effect as many peoples hard work, it's just...not right. |
Meh. Evs. To me it's a "Don't know, don't care," subject. Why go through all the effort to raise the stats by 1, I wonder.
"But it makes a huge difference!" you say. I say, "What's wrong with how the Pokemon is already?"
I don't hack my Pokemon at all besides just getting them to appear so I can catch them. After that, I just use them normally. I don't bother Ev training. I play a game to have fun, not to obsess about finding the right Pokemon to raise my Pokemon's stats a little more. If that kind of training is fun for you, have at it. I'm playing my game, not working at it.
That being said, you bring up a . . . somewhat . . . valid point. I said that the stats couldn't be altered and stuff. Using cheats to Ev train would make it easier and faster but otherwise wouldn't make a huge amount of difference. Still, I can ask that they not Ev train them with cheats too. Goes back to the honor system. Not like I have the ability to stop them directly.
| NeoJames wrote: | | I was going to join your tournament...but... |
Do as you like. I acknowledge your concerns and do not blame you for thinking that way. But I will not ban cheated Pokemon all together. It'd be like banning myself if I did want to enter . . .
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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I understand completly about why you would hack to get those Pokemon, I don't disagree, however that shouldn't interfere with your tournament.
A good example would be me, and Super Smash Bros. I play as SPOILERGanondorf, have items on, and play on random levels like Norfair and Warioware.
In a tournament though, I would play as Pit, perfer items be off, and only have neutral levels like Battlefield or Smashvill.
See what I mean? |
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Vye Brante
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Mm . . . You think it's okay to go all out on computers but not on real people?
I agree, to an extent. If the person I'm fighting doesn't know in advance that I'm using cheat code obtained Pokemon, then it's sorta unfair. (Either way I usually lose so doesn't matter.) But in this tournament, you guys already know they could be there so it shouldn't be as big of deal.
Seriously, as long as all they did was use cheat codes to make it appear so they could catch it, it's going to be the same Pokemon as if they had caught it normally. If you come across one that you believe was hacked further, then I'd look into it.
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I'm happy! I wanna know who I'm battling tomorrow and when.
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Ow, I gotta decide if I should enter or not :X
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Yeah, today's pretty much the last day! And we need like five more people so I can do it without any buys!
No pressure.
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